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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...>
 



On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Nuno Brito <nuno.brito@...> wrote:
In addition, the tooling that does exist is often not suitable for things like embedded GNU/Linux, with clients running on Windows (which is just not used at all in many shops) and tools written in Java that don't integrate into things like Yocto or baserock.
 
One of the reasons to write tooling in Java is to keep it platform independent.

Well, Java *is* the platform no? :-) Or rather the JVM, and it is definitely not independent, its owned by Oracle and even the open source versions suffer significant politics. Its also an enterprise language, not an embedded language, even Android (which is not Java) has a ton of apps that use C/C++, HTML, CSS, etc.
 
Speaking for the TripleCheck tooling, integration with Yocto should be possible.

We've done some integration with other Java Eclispse-based tooling in Yocto and it is a poor fit for build from source systems that rely on C, bash and python, for one thing it increases build times significantly. This is a problem when you're doing continuous integration and building entire OS images triggered by changes to git repos. In fact when Yocto integrated SPDX 1.1 it was in python. 
 
Would just ask for some guidance because I'm not a Yocto distributor nor user, but would be happy to enable this feature if there is interest.

I'd say look at the sources that Yocto preserves in a directory of its build image. That might be easy to go over and do SPDX reports on. Embedding a Java tool in Yocto will be quite difficult, not least because you build a cross-compiler toolchain on qemu. You might look at the earlier SPDX implementation to see if there is low-hanging fruit: http://www.pelagicore.com/using-yocto-and-fossology-to-get-spdx-licence-output/   Please note that this is old and SPDX is up to 2.2 for its spec I believe.

Regards,

Jeremiah
 
 
Best
Nuno
 
12.08.2016, 15:34, "Jeremiah Foster" <jeremiah.foster@pelagicore.com>:


On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matija Šuklje <matija@...> wrote:
Die 10. 08. 16 et hora 15.42.55 Kate Stewart scripsit:
> We're piloting it in North America, so its free there.  ;-)

That makes sense then :)

> The FOSSology project doesn't have any funding associated with
> it though, so we're looking to charge the fee to recover costs
> (room, refreshments for participants, team travel) associated
> with holding the training.

Ah, didn’t realise that such an important piece of SW for business use is not
properly funded – which is surprising TBH.
 
This is the main issue -- LF has done a lot here, sponsoring OpenChain and giving resources to Fossology and more, but companies have not stepped up to provide a solid open source ecosystem around the tooling. OpenChain will do a great deal to help but there are currently the open source tooling is far away from the commercial tooling in quality and commercial tools can be expensive. In addition, the tooling that does exist is often not suitable for things like embedded GNU/Linux, with clients running on Windows (which is just not used at all in many shops) and tools written in Java that don't integrate into things like Yocto or baserock. 
 
I'm very thankful for the work of the LF and companies like ARM, Qualcomm, Wind River and of course others, but we need more tools that fit the embedded space and more training on use that is accessible to "engilawyers" as Google sometimes calls them.
 

I actually find the 100 US$ price tag fair, but was taken aback by the
difference between the two events so close together. Piloting for gratis makes
sense of course. :)
 
+1
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Nuno Brito <nuno.brito@...>
 

In addition, the tooling that does exist is often not suitable for things like embedded GNU/Linux, with clients running on Windows (which is just not used at all in many shops) and tools written in Java that don't integrate into things like Yocto or baserock.
 
One of the reasons to write tooling in Java is to keep it platform independent. Speaking for the TripleCheck tooling, integration with Yocto should be possible. Would just ask for some guidance because I'm not a Yocto distributor nor user, but would be happy to enable this feature if there is interest.
 
Best
Nuno
 
12.08.2016, 15:34, "Jeremiah Foster" <jeremiah.foster@...>:


On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matija Šuklje <matija@...> wrote:
Die 10. 08. 16 et hora 15.42.55 Kate Stewart scripsit:
> We're piloting it in North America, so its free there.  ;-)

That makes sense then :)

> The FOSSology project doesn't have any funding associated with
> it though, so we're looking to charge the fee to recover costs
> (room, refreshments for participants, team travel) associated
> with holding the training.

Ah, didn’t realise that such an important piece of SW for business use is not
properly funded – which is surprising TBH.
 
This is the main issue -- LF has done a lot here, sponsoring OpenChain and giving resources to Fossology and more, but companies have not stepped up to provide a solid open source ecosystem around the tooling. OpenChain will do a great deal to help but there are currently the open source tooling is far away from the commercial tooling in quality and commercial tools can be expensive. In addition, the tooling that does exist is often not suitable for things like embedded GNU/Linux, with clients running on Windows (which is just not used at all in many shops) and tools written in Java that don't integrate into things like Yocto or baserock. 
 
I'm very thankful for the work of the LF and companies like ARM, Qualcomm, Wind River and of course others, but we need more tools that fit the embedded space and more training on use that is accessible to "engilawyers" as Google sometimes calls them.
 

I actually find the 100 US$ price tag fair, but was taken aback by the
difference between the two events so close together. Piloting for gratis makes
sense of course. :)
 
+1
 
Cheers,
 
Jeremiah 
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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...>
 



On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Matija Šuklje <matija@...> wrote:
Die 10. 08. 16 et hora 15.42.55 Kate Stewart scripsit:
> We're piloting it in North America, so its free there.  ;-)

That makes sense then :)

> The FOSSology project doesn't have any funding associated with
> it though, so we're looking to charge the fee to recover costs
> (room, refreshments for participants, team travel) associated
> with holding the training.

Ah, didn’t realise that such an important piece of SW for business use is not
properly funded – which is surprising TBH.

This is the main issue -- LF has done a lot here, sponsoring OpenChain and giving resources to Fossology and more, but companies have not stepped up to provide a solid open source ecosystem around the tooling. OpenChain will do a great deal to help but there are currently the open source tooling is far away from the commercial tooling in quality and commercial tools can be expensive. In addition, the tooling that does exist is often not suitable for things like embedded GNU/Linux, with clients running on Windows (which is just not used at all in many shops) and tools written in Java that don't integrate into things like Yocto or baserock. 

I'm very thankful for the work of the LF and companies like ARM, Qualcomm, Wind River and of course others, but we need more tools that fit the embedded space and more training on use that is accessible to "engilawyers" as Google sometimes calls them.
 

I actually find the 100 US$ price tag fair, but was taken aback by the
difference between the two events so close together. Piloting for gratis makes
sense of course. :)

+1

Cheers,

Jeremiah 
Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Matija Šuklje
 

Die 10. 08. 16 et hora 15.42.55 Kate Stewart scripsit:
We're piloting it in North America, so its free there. ;-)
That makes sense then :)

The FOSSology project doesn't have any funding associated with
it though, so we're looking to charge the fee to recover costs
(room, refreshments for participants, team travel) associated
with holding the training.
Ah, didn’t realise that such an important piece of SW for business use is not
properly funded – which is surprising TBH.

I actually find the 100 US$ price tag fair, but was taken aback by the
difference between the two events so close together. Piloting for gratis makes
sense of course. :)


cheers,
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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Kate Stewart
 

Hi Matija,

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Matija Šuklje <matija@...> wrote:
Die 09. 08. 16 et hora 20.11.22 Jilayne Lovejoy scripsit:
> Perhaps LinuxCon Europe, by any chance… ??  :)

+1

There’s this:
https://linuxconcontainerconeurope2016.sched.org/event/7o9d/fossology-efficient-license-analysis-in-hd-michael-jaeger-siemens-ag

And from what I saw on the registration page there will also be the following
training, but unfortunately for a 100 US$ fee:

We're piloting it in North America, so its free there.  ;-)

The FOSSology project doesn't have any funding associated with
it though, so we're looking to charge the fee to recover costs 
(room, refreshments for participants, team travel) associated 
with holding the training.  
 
If the cost is a blocking point on attending, please contact me off list.

Thanks, Kate
Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Matija Šuklje
 

Die 09. 08. 16 et hora 20.11.22 Jilayne Lovejoy scripsit:
Perhaps LinuxCon Europe, by any chance… ?? :)
+1

There’s this:
https://linuxconcontainerconeurope2016.sched.org/event/7o9d/fossology-efficient-license-analysis-in-hd-michael-jaeger-siemens-ag

And from what I saw on the registration page there will also be the following
training, but unfortunately for a 100 US$ fee:

FOSSology - Hands On Training
Click here to add FOSSology - Hands On Training to your LinuxCon +
ContainerCon Europe registration.

FOSSology is an open source license compliance software system and toolkit.
As a toolkit, you can run license, copyright and export control scans from the
command line. As a system, a database and Web user interface provide you
with a compliance workflow. License, copyright and export scanners are tools
used in the workflow.

Analyzing open source license compliance requires expert knowledge. As a
consequence the use of the tool requires understanding of license analysis
problems and how they are covered by FOSSology. This training will provide the
following elements: - Challenges in real world examples at license analysis of
open source components - Learning how to cope with license proliferation and
custom license texts - Efficiently managing large open source components with
heterogeneous licensing - Saving work with reusing license conclusions of open
source packages when analyzing a newer version - Getting an overview about
an example workflow for component analysis with FOSSology

This course will be valuable to anyone concerned with and involved in Open
Source Management, including operational and legal executives, software
development managers, open source program managers, and developers.

Date: Friday, October 07, 2016 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM (GMT)
Location: Bishop, InterContinental Berlin
Price: $100.00



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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Jilayne Lovejoy <Jilayne.Lovejoy@...>
 

Perhaps LinuxCon Europe, by any chance… ??  :)

On 8/9/16, 2:05 PM, "openchain-bounces@... on behalf of Kate Stewart" <openchain-bounces@... on behalf of kstewart@...> wrote:

Hi Jeremiah,
    Its just planned as an in-person course right now,  with the focus on hands-on.

Based on the feedback, we're thinking of having it other future LinuxCon events
for those who can't make it this time.

Kate

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...> wrote:

Thanks Kate! Will the session be recorded or slides published for those who cannot make it?

Regards,

Jeremiah


On Aug 9, 2016 3:40 PM, "Kate Stewart" <kstewart@...> wrote:
Hi,
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but some of you have expressed interest in 
understanding how to use the latest version of FOSSology (which generates 
SPDX output) for doing license reviews, etc. and how to generate artifacts 
that will address OpenChain. 

   There's been a late addition to the LinuxCon NA, to provide a free training
day on FOSSology.   The course will cover what FOSSology is, how to use it 
to do license clearing for projects, how to generate SPDX,  BOM's, etc. 
and hands on advice for installing on your system.   

   If you're interested in understanding how to install and use FOSSology,  this is a great chance to learn from the expert for free.

   Information on signing up can be found https://lcccna2016.sched.org/event/7pGQ

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Kate


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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Kate Stewart
 

Hi Jeremiah,
    Its just planned as an in-person course right now,  with the focus on hands-on.

Based on the feedback, we're thinking of having it other future LinuxCon events
for those who can't make it this time.

Kate

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...> wrote:

Thanks Kate! Will the session be recorded or slides published for those who cannot make it?

Regards,

Jeremiah


On Aug 9, 2016 3:40 PM, "Kate Stewart" <kstewart@...> wrote:
Hi,
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but some of you have expressed interest in 
understanding how to use the latest version of FOSSology (which generates 
SPDX output) for doing license reviews, etc. and how to generate artifacts 
that will address OpenChain. 

   There's been a late addition to the LinuxCon NA, to provide a free training
day on FOSSology.   The course will cover what FOSSology is, how to use it 
to do license clearing for projects, how to generate SPDX,  BOM's, etc. 
and hands on advice for installing on your system.   

   If you're interested in understanding how to install and use FOSSology,  this is a great chance to learn from the expert for free.

   Information on signing up can be found https://lcccna2016.sched.org/event/7pGQ

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Kate


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Re: FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...>
 

Thanks Kate! Will the session be recorded or slides published for those who cannot make it?

Regards,

Jeremiah


On Aug 9, 2016 3:40 PM, "Kate Stewart" <kstewart@...> wrote:
Hi,
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but some of you have expressed interest in 
understanding how to use the latest version of FOSSology (which generates 
SPDX output) for doing license reviews, etc. and how to generate artifacts 
that will address OpenChain. 

   There's been a late addition to the LinuxCon NA, to provide a free training
day on FOSSology.   The course will cover what FOSSology is, how to use it 
to do license clearing for projects, how to generate SPDX,  BOM's, etc. 
and hands on advice for installing on your system.   

   If you're interested in understanding how to install and use FOSSology,  this is a great chance to learn from the expert for free.

   Information on signing up can be found https://lcccna2016.sched.org/event/7pGQ

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Kate


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FYI: FOSSology training at LinuxCon NA on August 25

Kate Stewart
 

Hi,
    Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but some of you have expressed interest in 
understanding how to use the latest version of FOSSology (which generates 
SPDX output) for doing license reviews, etc. and how to generate artifacts 
that will address OpenChain. 

   There's been a late addition to the LinuxCon NA, to provide a free training
day on FOSSology.   The course will cover what FOSSology is, how to use it 
to do license clearing for projects, how to generate SPDX,  BOM's, etc. 
and hands on advice for installing on your system.   

   If you're interested in understanding how to install and use FOSSology,  this is a great chance to learn from the expert for free.

   Information on signing up can be found https://lcccna2016.sched.org/event/7pGQ

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Kate
Re: Follow-up on certification website - use case starting point

Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah.foster@...>
 

Hi Gary and everyone,

Thanks for the use case documents -- I'll review. 

As for implementation, I'd like to propose that I be a test case or "persona" to test the implementation on. For example, one would go through the web site as if they were trying to certify a company for Open Chain compliance and test the material and procedure for any omissions or assumptions made. Doing this sort of real world testing can help improve the process I feel. I'm happy to also volunteer a few hours to do this.

Regards,

Jeremiah

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:44 PM, <gary@...> wrote:

Greetings all,

 

As a follow up to our last OpenChain call, I put together a starting point for use cases for a form based OpenChain certification process.

 

The use case documents are on Google Docs – anyone with this link can edit the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LaUnKpD3I1Uda3TI_CJKyIvnz_ZI4hrh4EHLppFKkSM/edit?usp=sharing

 

If you could use suggestion mode so that we can track the changes.  I did the use cases pretty quickly, so I’m sure I missed some use cases, steps and dependencies.

 

In terms of a plan for implementation, in the priority I am suggesting a very minimal implementation which does not require authentication and tracking of the users.  I’m not sure this minimal set will be sufficient for the first release.  It may be good to discuss in an upcoming call what we think the minimum website should be.

 

As I mentioned on the call, I am willing to volunteer a few hours a week to help with the implementation.  Depending how many use cases we plan to implement, I would expect we will need some web development resources in addition to myself to complete this on schedule.  If there are resources from the Linux Foundation or additional volunteers, please let me know and I’ll coordinate with them.

 

Thanks,

Gary

 

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Follow-up on certification website - use case starting point

Gary O'Neall
 

Greetings all,

 

As a follow up to our last OpenChain call, I put together a starting point for use cases for a form based OpenChain certification process.

 

The use case documents are on Google Docs – anyone with this link can edit the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LaUnKpD3I1Uda3TI_CJKyIvnz_ZI4hrh4EHLppFKkSM/edit?usp=sharing

 

If you could use suggestion mode so that we can track the changes.  I did the use cases pretty quickly, so I’m sure I missed some use cases, steps and dependencies.

 

In terms of a plan for implementation, in the priority I am suggesting a very minimal implementation which does not require authentication and tracking of the users.  I’m not sure this minimal set will be sufficient for the first release.  It may be good to discuss in an upcoming call what we think the minimum website should be.

 

As I mentioned on the call, I am willing to volunteer a few hours a week to help with the implementation.  Depending how many use cases we plan to implement, I would expect we will need some web development resources in addition to myself to complete this on schedule.  If there are resources from the Linux Foundation or additional volunteers, please let me know and I’ll coordinate with them.

 

Thanks,

Gary

 

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Re: OpenChain meeting 8/1

Miriam Ballhausen <Ballhausen@...>
 

Hi everyone,

please find attached the slides for the upcoming call on Mon, 8/1 at 9am PST/ 4pm GMT. You'll also find a revised version of the questionnaire.

All the best,
Miriam
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Von: openchain-bounces@... [openchain-bounces@...]" im Auftrag von "Williams, Kelly [kellyw@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2016 01:08
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Betreff: [OpenChain] OpenChain meeting 8/1

Hi Everyone,

 

Reminder the focus on the upcoming call on Mon, 8/1 at 9am PST will be on Certification. 

 

Join the call: https://www.uberconference.com/katestewart

Optional dial in number: 877-297-7470

Alternate number: 512-910-4433

No PIN needed

 

If you need to use a local phone number, please consult:

https://www.uberconference.com/international

for the specific country numbers.

 

1. Dial the local number based on your location.

2. Enter 512 910 4433, then #.

 

Regards,

Kelly

 

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OpenChain Agenda 2016-08-01.pptx
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160801_OpenChain_Certification_without answers.docx

OpenChain meeting 8/1

Kelly Williams
 

Hi Everyone,

 

Reminder the focus on the upcoming call on Mon, 8/1 at 9am PST will be on Certification. 

 

Join the call: https://www.uberconference.com/katestewart

Optional dial in number: 877-297-7470

Alternate number: 512-910-4433

No PIN needed

 

If you need to use a local phone number, please consult:

https://www.uberconference.com/international

for the specific country numbers.

 

1. Dial the local number based on your location.

2. Enter 512 910 4433, then #.

 

Regards,

Kelly

 
Re: OpenChain agenda 7/11

Gary O'Neall
 

Hi Miriam,

 

As a follow-up to our last call, I’ve included some suggested questions where publicly available references could be added to the questionnaire.  It turns out to be  a relatively small number of additional questions.

 

I did not include a field for them to enter the information, since that would require a structural change to the document (there are currently only “yes” and “no” columns).

 

If we plan to implement the form on a website, we could implement text controls and drop down lists for the responses depending on the question.  If we want to keep a document format, I have a couple ideas on how to add the text entry fields (e.g. move the questions to a separate table at the end of the document).

 

Let me know if you have any questions.


Thanks,
Gary

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Miriam Ballhausen
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:41 AM
To: 'Williams, Kelly'
Cc: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 7/11

 

Hi Everyone,

 

please find attached a revised version of the certification document. I am looking forward to discussing it with you during our upcoming call.

 

Regards,

Miriam

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Betreff: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 7/11

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Reminder the focus on the upcoming call on Mon, 7/11 at 9am PST/ 4pm GMT will be on the Specification and Certification. 

 

Specification public comments link: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/spec-2016-h1-public-comments

 

Join the call: https://www.uberconference.com/katestewart

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Regards,

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Re: spec review

Mark Gisi
 

Hi Jilayne,

 

Sorry for the delayed response. Thanks for all the helpful feedback you provided.

 

We discussed the point that the definition for Supplied Software might be viewed as extending to an organizations’ s contributions - which was considered to be a good thing. That is, one contribution’s represent a form of Supplied Software. That is one’s software delivered under an open source license very much is a distribution to a third party (everyone). That one would expect that it is a good practice for the distributor of their own contributions to be compliant. The discussion concluded with the action to see if we can make it more clear in the next version -> that contributions are in fact also Supplied Software and the same discipline should be applied.

 

All in all, your comment encourage the broadening of  the Supplied Software definition.

 

- Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Jilayne Lovejoy [mailto:Jilayne.Lovejoy@...]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:49 PM
To: openchain@...
Cc: Gisi, Mark
Subject: spec review

 

Hi All,

 

Apologies I could not make the call this morning, but I have reviewed Mark’s summaries of discussion/responses on the public comments page and looks like most items were sensibly resolved.  I have no further comments, with the exception of #19 which was marked as TBD

 

I still think that the current definition of Supplied Software needs to be tweaked so as not to catch in it software that a company provides as its own OSS project.  Perhaps a simple changes as follows would work:

 

currently: "Supplied Software – software that an organization delivers to third parties (e.g., other organizations or individuals).”

 

Change to:  "Supplied Software – software that an organization delivers to third parties (e.g., other organizations or individuals), with the exception of software provided publicly as open source software under an open source license.”

 

Thanks,

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Re: Curriculum next steps

Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...>
 

Dear OpenChain Curriculum volunteers

Thank you to everyone who attended our discussion on the 18th July to review the slides.

== Outcomes ==

(1) Each chapter is substantially complete. We currently have around 194 slides that need to be refined into about 100 slides for circa 3 hour delivery. 
(2) We will “be brave” in condensing material to make it as simple as possible, so everyone should feel free to jump in and condense and/or simplify language.
(3) Where content is deleted from slides we will move it into slide notes to ensure presenters can have context. This is because we cannot assume a level of knowledge for the reader/presenter. We need to facilitate everything from low to high.
(4) We need to add “check your understanding” to most chapters (see below for reference material from Chapter 7). This will ensure each module can work as a stand-alone mini-segment. For the same reason it would be ideal if each chapter could start with a high-level summary.
(5) The status of each chapter is based on reports from assigned Chapter authors (see below for current status). However, everyone is invited to open and edit the slides to help ensure we have a completed deliverable for the next call. The slides can be found here:
Each chapter should end up being somewhere between 8 and 10 slides including the “Check Your Understanding” slide. Please feel free to edit the content of any chapter and hide any slide you think is unnecessary. We can also add blank placeholder slides for individual company processes, to both show that we expect companies to customise, and to help underline that our curriculum material alone is not enough for a solid process.

== Check your understanding ==

The slides are currently split into 12 “chapters” and we will add a one slide “check your understanding” mini-test to end each chapter. Here is an example of the type of thing we are looking for in the “check your understanding” slides taken from Chapter 7, End-to-End Compliance Management:


The current status of each chapter is below. If there is a question mark next to your name it means I do not know the status of your review:
You can update your status on our Wiki page:

On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Thank you very much for your work, Arnold. Much appreciated to have these improvements to the chapter to help take us another step closer to the October release.

Regards

Shane

On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Niessen, Arnold <arnold.niessen@...> wrote:

Dear Shane, all,

Thanks for all the valuable preparation in setting this up.

I am afraid I can’t join the (for me nightly) call tomorrow.

As I think I can’t edit the review status page, I’ll provide some comment on my changes in section 10,
-I slightly condensed the section
-I propose to rename “Lessons Learned” to “Lessons Learned from Disputes”.
-and added some miscellaneous remarks

Formatting isn’t consistent, but getting it consistent is likely an overall exercise anyway.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,
Arnold Niessen
IP Counsel
Nederlands Octrooigemachtigde / European Patent Attorney
Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

High Tech Campus 5.5.0.41, 5656 AE, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Mail Address: P.O. Box 220, 5600 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands
GSM/SMS: +31 6 1177 3134 (Mobex 93837)
E-mail: arnold.niessen@...
Assistant: Sandra Hermans, +31 6 5282 4722 (mobex 95034)
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From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: donderdag 23 juni 2016 8:44
To: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Dear OpenChain Curriculum volunteers

As discussed on our recent meeting we have around 175 slides that need to be refined into about 100 slides for circa 3 hour delivery. The slides are currently split into 12 “chapters” and we will add a one slide “check your understanding” mini-test to end each chapter. We will assign one “chapter” to each explicit OpenChain Curriculum volunteer for this editing process. Coincidentally we have twelve volunteers:
           Dave Marr
           Jilayne Lovejoy
           Kate Stewart
           Ramesh Jain
           Shane Coughlan
           Tom Arcidiacono
           Gary O'Neall
           Hung Chang 
           Catharina Maracke 
           Arnold Niessen
           Mark Radcliffe
           Nathan Kumagai 

I have taken the liberty of randomly assigning chapters to every volunteer for review:
<image002.png>

Each chapter should end up being somewhere between 8 and 10 slides including the “Check Your Understanding” slide. Please feel free to edit the content of your assigned chapter and hide any slide you think is unnecessary. We can also add blank placeholder slides for individual company processes, to both show that we expect companies to customise, and to help underline that our curriculum material alone is not enough for a solid process.

Thanks to Kate we have a page on the wiki to track our progress:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/curriculum

Here is the direct link to our slides:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!799&ithint=file%2cpptx&app=PowerPoint&authkey=!AMPIqg6TBlScFUI

If anyone has any objections to the above process and assignments please let me know. Otherwise, let’s proceed and aim to circle back before our next call on the third Monday on July. Prior to that I hope that our editing will be substantially complete and we can discuss a simple mapping of Curriculum slide chapters to the Specification.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Dear all

In advance of our call next Monday please find the latest version of our draft slides here:
https://1drv.ms/p/s!AsXJVqby5kpnhh_DyKoOkwZUnBVC

Please note this is a “living document” and everyone should feel free to jump in, refine and improve. 

Our source material can be found here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

Thank you once again to everyone who contributed slides under CC-0 and thank you in advance to everyone who will help us refine the initial OpenChain Curriculum slides over the coming month.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Hi Arnold, thank you very much for your contribution!

All, the various slides and handout materials are now uploaded here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

The current goal is to place the core content from the various slides into the 'OpenChain-Curriculum-Core-Open-Source-Compliance-SLIDES/pptx’ document. Everyone should be able to open and edit files without signing in.

Later we will circle back to the two handout files to create our OpenChain handout.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 3, 2016, at 21:49 , Niessen, Arnold <arnold.niessen@...> wrote:

Dear Shane, all,

Could you please add me to the list too? The calls are at a slightly difficult time (2am CET) but I'd still like to contribute where I can.

I have seen some very high quality materials already. I'd like to attach one of our internal documents that doesn't have too much overlap with the previous materials. This document tries to catch most of the compliance obligations at a high level in a few pages but without explaining any background, so it isn't overwhelming from its size, but it aims to whet the appetite for the background materials.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,
Arnold Niessen
IP Counsel
Nederlands Octrooigemachtigde / European Patent Attorney
Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

High Tech Campus 5.5.0.41, 5656 AE, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Mail Address: P.O. Box 220, 5600 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands
GSM/SMS: +31 6 1177 3134 (Mobex 93837)
E-mail: arnold.niessen@...
Assistant: Sandra Hermans, +31 6 5282 4722 (mobex 95034)
Intranet: pww.ips.philips.com
Internet: www.ip.philips.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@...[mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: dinsdag 24 mei 2016 4:22
To: Marr, David <dmarr@...>
Cc: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Hi Dave

Thanks for confirming!

The list of people who have explicitly stepped forward to participate in building out the curriculum so far is:
Dave Marr
Jilayne Lovejoy
Kate Stewart
Ramesh Jain
Shane Coughlan
Tom Arcidiacono
If anyone else is interested in contributing just message me or step into our calls and drafting at any point.

All, the donated slides from Dave (Qualcomm) and Ibrahim (Samsung) have been uploaded to OneDrive and can be edited by anyone without any log-in via this URL:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!801&authkey=!AALECDkajmrhNWw&ithint=folder%2c

There are three files:
(1) Dave’s slides
(2) Ibrahim’s slide
(3) A placeholder document for the OpenChain Curriculum Core Open Source Compliance slides

As per our last call, the Curriculum Work Team aims to:
(A) Review (1) and (2) to remove any corporate branding or extra slides
(B) Combine them into (3)
(C) Before working on reducing the slide count to result in a presentation that takes less than an hour.

We are going to aim to get the first rough cut ready in time for our next call in the third week of June. The end result should support the goals outlined here:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/_media/openchain/openchainspec-2016-05-16-1.pdf
In particular, we want to help support Section 1.2, the 'Mandatory FOSS training’ requirements. Ideally our slides would help people get started in this area.

The process is simple. Just open the link, click a file, and select “Edit in Browser” to get started. I am personally going to get started on (A) later this week and would appreciate help to trim any remaining corporate branding or slides which are unnecessary.

Of course we are still accepting submissions of additional material so just reach out if you want to donate under CC-0.

Regards

Shane

NOTE #1: Why OneDrive and PowerPoint Online? The original slides were in PowerPoint format. A search for online systems with easy import and collaborative editing of these documents resulted in a shortlist of Google Slides or PowerPoint Online. PowerPoint Online appears to work in China while Google services are more challenging to access. If anyone strongly wants us to use another system I am happy to discuss that too.

NOTE #2: Why a public link that anyone can access? Because we want to encourage everyone to step in and lend a hand. Our goal, as per the minutes from the last call, is to make a simple, clear set of slides to support Open Source compliance in the context of OpenChain, and to help “on-board” people into both compliance best practice and deployment of OpenChain.


On May 22, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Marr, David <dmarr@...> wrote:

Shane please add me as a member of the curriculum work team.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@...[mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:51 PM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Dear OpenChain project members

Thank you to everyone who contributed to our last call and to many others who expressed interest in contributing to our curriculum work team.

The specific proposals to launch the work team were:
(1) We provide high level process management slides that can be adopted and expanded by any company seeking to undertake Open Source compliance;
(2) We will create the first iteration of these slides in a three month (3 call) window, with most of the actual work happening offline;
(3) We re-use existing material that is available (or can be made available) under a CC-0 license;
(4) We keep things simple to make adoption, translation and understand as straightforward as possible.

These proposals were accepted by the curriculum work team members present.

What this means for the team is:
(1) An initial version of the slides going online for editing next week;
(2) The team working on the slides for the next month to prepare the first draft;
(3) Review of the slides will take place on our second call to assess status and where we need to focus energy;
(4) The subsequent month will apply focus to these points before resulting in our first deliverable for consideration in the third call.

I will send an email next week with details of how we will collaborate online.

Regards

Shane
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spec review

Jilayne Lovejoy <Jilayne.Lovejoy@...>
 

Hi All,

Apologies I could not make the call this morning, but I have reviewed Mark’s summaries of discussion/responses on the public comments page and looks like most items were sensibly resolved.  I have no further comments, with the exception of #19 which was marked as TBD

I still think that the current definition of Supplied Software needs to be tweaked so as not to catch in it software that a company provides as its own OSS project.  Perhaps a simple changes as follows would work:

currently: "Supplied Software – software that an organization delivers to third parties (e.g., other organizations or individuals).”

Change to:  "Supplied Software – software that an organization delivers to third parties (e.g., other organizations or individuals), with the exception of software provided publicly as open source software under an open source license.”

Thanks,
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Re: Curriculum next steps

Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...>
 

Thank you very much for your work, Arnold. Much appreciated to have these improvements to the chapter to help take us another step closer to the October release.

Regards

Shane

On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Niessen, Arnold <arnold.niessen@...> wrote:

Dear Shane, all,

Thanks for all the valuable preparation in setting this up.

I am afraid I can’t join the (for me nightly) call tomorrow.

As I think I can’t edit the review status page, I’ll provide some comment on my changes in section 10,
-I slightly condensed the section
-I propose to rename “Lessons Learned” to “Lessons Learned from Disputes”.
-and added some miscellaneous remarks

Formatting isn’t consistent, but getting it consistent is likely an overall exercise anyway.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,
Arnold Niessen
IP Counsel
Nederlands Octrooigemachtigde / European Patent Attorney
Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

High Tech Campus 5.5.0.41, 5656 AE, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Mail Address: P.O. Box 220, 5600 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands
GSM/SMS: +31 6 1177 3134 (Mobex 93837)
E-mail: arnold.niessen@...
Assistant: Sandra Hermans, +31 6 5282 4722 (mobex 95034)
Intranet: pww.ips.philips.com
Internet: www.ip.philips.com
Free on Wednesdays

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: donderdag 23 juni 2016 8:44
To: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Dear OpenChain Curriculum volunteers

As discussed on our recent meeting we have around 175 slides that need to be refined into about 100 slides for circa 3 hour delivery. The slides are currently split into 12 “chapters” and we will add a one slide “check your understanding” mini-test to end each chapter. We will assign one “chapter” to each explicit OpenChain Curriculum volunteer for this editing process. Coincidentally we have twelve volunteers:
Dave Marr
Jilayne Lovejoy
Kate Stewart
Ramesh Jain
Shane Coughlan
Tom Arcidiacono
Gary O'Neall
Hung Chang
Catharina Maracke
Arnold Niessen
Mark Radcliffe
Nathan Kumagai

I have taken the liberty of randomly assigning chapters to every volunteer for review:
<image002.png>

Each chapter should end up being somewhere between 8 and 10 slides including the “Check Your Understanding” slide. Please feel free to edit the content of your assigned chapter and hide any slide you think is unnecessary. We can also add blank placeholder slides for individual company processes, to both show that we expect companies to customise, and to help underline that our curriculum material alone is not enough for a solid process.

Thanks to Kate we have a page on the wiki to track our progress:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/curriculum

Here is the direct link to our slides:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!799&ithint=file%2cpptx&app=PowerPoint&authkey=!AMPIqg6TBlScFUI

If anyone has any objections to the above process and assignments please let me know. Otherwise, let’s proceed and aim to circle back before our next call on the third Monday on July. Prior to that I hope that our editing will be substantially complete and we can discuss a simple mapping of Curriculum slide chapters to the Specification.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Dear all

In advance of our call next Monday please find the latest version of our draft slides here:
https://1drv.ms/p/s!AsXJVqby5kpnhh_DyKoOkwZUnBVC

Please note this is a “living document” and everyone should feel free to jump in, refine and improve.

Our source material can be found here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

Thank you once again to everyone who contributed slides under CC-0 and thank you in advance to everyone who will help us refine the initial OpenChain Curriculum slides over the coming month.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Hi Arnold, thank you very much for your contribution!

All, the various slides and handout materials are now uploaded here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

The current goal is to place the core content from the various slides into the 'OpenChain-Curriculum-Core-Open-Source-Compliance-SLIDES/pptx’ document. Everyone should be able to open and edit files without signing in.

Later we will circle back to the two handout files to create our OpenChain handout.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 3, 2016, at 21:49 , Niessen, Arnold <arnold.niessen@...> wrote:

Dear Shane, all,

Could you please add me to the list too? The calls are at a slightly difficult time (2am CET) but I'd still like to contribute where I can.

I have seen some very high quality materials already. I'd like to attach one of our internal documents that doesn't have too much overlap with the previous materials. This document tries to catch most of the compliance obligations at a high level in a few pages but without explaining any background, so it isn't overwhelming from its size, but it aims to whet the appetite for the background materials.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,
Arnold Niessen
IP Counsel
Nederlands Octrooigemachtigde / European Patent Attorney
Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

High Tech Campus 5.5.0.41, 5656 AE, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Mail Address: P.O. Box 220, 5600 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands
GSM/SMS: +31 6 1177 3134 (Mobex 93837)
E-mail: arnold.niessen@...
Assistant: Sandra Hermans, +31 6 5282 4722 (mobex 95034)
Intranet: pww.ips.philips.com
Internet: www.ip.philips.com
Free on Wednesdays

-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@...[mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: dinsdag 24 mei 2016 4:22
To: Marr, David <dmarr@...>
Cc: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Hi Dave

Thanks for confirming!

The list of people who have explicitly stepped forward to participate in building out the curriculum so far is:
Dave Marr
Jilayne Lovejoy
Kate Stewart
Ramesh Jain
Shane Coughlan
Tom Arcidiacono
If anyone else is interested in contributing just message me or step into our calls and drafting at any point.

All, the donated slides from Dave (Qualcomm) and Ibrahim (Samsung) have been uploaded to OneDrive and can be edited by anyone without any log-in via this URL:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!801&authkey=!AALECDkajmrhNWw&ithint=folder%2c

There are three files:
(1) Dave’s slides
(2) Ibrahim’s slide
(3) A placeholder document for the OpenChain Curriculum Core Open Source Compliance slides

As per our last call, the Curriculum Work Team aims to:
(A) Review (1) and (2) to remove any corporate branding or extra slides
(B) Combine them into (3)
(C) Before working on reducing the slide count to result in a presentation that takes less than an hour.

We are going to aim to get the first rough cut ready in time for our next call in the third week of June. The end result should support the goals outlined here:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/_media/openchain/openchainspec-2016-05-16-1.pdf
In particular, we want to help support Section 1.2, the 'Mandatory FOSS training’ requirements. Ideally our slides would help people get started in this area.

The process is simple. Just open the link, click a file, and select “Edit in Browser” to get started. I am personally going to get started on (A) later this week and would appreciate help to trim any remaining corporate branding or slides which are unnecessary.

Of course we are still accepting submissions of additional material so just reach out if you want to donate under CC-0.

Regards

Shane

NOTE #1: Why OneDrive and PowerPoint Online? The original slides were in PowerPoint format. A search for online systems with easy import and collaborative editing of these documents resulted in a shortlist of Google Slides or PowerPoint Online. PowerPoint Online appears to work in China while Google services are more challenging to access. If anyone strongly wants us to use another system I am happy to discuss that too.

NOTE #2: Why a public link that anyone can access? Because we want to encourage everyone to step in and lend a hand. Our goal, as per the minutes from the last call, is to make a simple, clear set of slides to support Open Source compliance in the context of OpenChain, and to help “on-board” people into both compliance best practice and deployment of OpenChain.


On May 22, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Marr, David <dmarr@...> wrote:

Shane please add me as a member of the curriculum work team.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@...[mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:51 PM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Dear OpenChain project members

Thank you to everyone who contributed to our last call and to many others who expressed interest in contributing to our curriculum work team.

The specific proposals to launch the work team were:
(1) We provide high level process management slides that can be adopted and expanded by any company seeking to undertake Open Source compliance;
(2) We will create the first iteration of these slides in a three month (3 call) window, with most of the actual work happening offline;
(3) We re-use existing material that is available (or can be made available) under a CC-0 license;
(4) We keep things simple to make adoption, translation and understand as straightforward as possible.

These proposals were accepted by the curriculum work team members present.

What this means for the team is:
(1) An initial version of the slides going online for editing next week;
(2) The team working on the slides for the next month to prepare the first draft;
(3) Review of the slides will take place on our second call to assess status and where we need to focus energy;
(4) The subsequent month will apply focus to these points before resulting in our first deliverable for consideration in the third call.

I will send an email next week with details of how we will collaborate online.

Regards

Shane
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Re: Curriculum next steps

Niessen, Arnold
 

Dear Shane, all,

 

Thanks for all the valuable preparation in setting this up.

 

I am afraid I can’t join the (for me nightly) call tomorrow.

 

As I think I can’t edit the review status page, I’ll provide some comment on my changes in section 10,

-I slightly condensed the section

-I propose to rename “Lessons Learned” to “Lessons Learned from Disputes”.

-and added some miscellaneous remarks

 

Formatting isn’t consistent, but getting it consistent is likely an overall exercise anyway.

 

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,

Arnold Niessen

IP Counsel

Nederlands Octrooigemachtigde / European Patent Attorney

Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

 

High Tech Campus 5.5.0.41, 5656 AE, Eindhoven, The Netherlands

Mail Address: P.O. Box 220, 5600 AE Eindhoven, The Netherlands

GSM/SMS: +31 6 1177 3134 (Mobex 93837)

E-mail: arnold.niessen@...

Assistant: Sandra Hermans, +31 6 5282 4722 (mobex 95034)

Intranet: pww.ips.philips.com

Internet: www.ip.philips.com

Free on Wednesdays

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: donderdag 23 juni 2016 8:44
To: openchain@...
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

 

Dear OpenChain Curriculum volunteers

 

As discussed on our recent meeting we have around 175 slides that need to be refined into about 100 slides for circa 3 hour delivery. The slides are currently split into 12 “chapters” and we will add a one slide “check your understanding” mini-test to end each chapter. We will assign one “chapter” to each explicit OpenChain Curriculum volunteer for this editing process. Coincidentally we have twelve volunteers:

            Dave Marr
            Jilayne Lovejoy
            Kate Stewart
            Ramesh Jain
            Shane Coughlan
            Tom Arcidiacono
            Gary O'Neall
            Hung Chang 
            Catharina Maracke 
            Arnold Niessen
            Mark Radcliffe
            Nathan Kumagai 

 

I have taken the liberty of randomly assigning chapters to every volunteer for review:

 

Each chapter should end up being somewhere between 8 and 10 slides including the “Check Your Understanding” slide. Please feel free to edit the content of your assigned chapter and hide any slide you think is unnecessary. We can also add blank placeholder slides for individual company processes, to both show that we expect companies to customise, and to help underline that our curriculum material alone is not enough for a solid process.

 

Thanks to Kate we have a page on the wiki to track our progress:

 

Here is the direct link to our slides:

 

If anyone has any objections to the above process and assignments please let me know. Otherwise, let’s proceed and aim to circle back before our next call on the third Monday on July. Prior to that I hope that our editing will be substantially complete and we can discuss a simple mapping of Curriculum slide chapters to the Specification.

 

Regards

 

Shane



On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Dear all

In advance of our call next Monday please find the latest version of our draft slides here:
https://1drv.ms/p/s!AsXJVqby5kpnhh_DyKoOkwZUnBVC

Please note this is a “living document” and everyone should feel free to jump in, refine and improve. 

Our source material can be found here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

Thank you once again to everyone who contributed slides under CC-0 and thank you in advance to everyone who will help us refine the initial OpenChain Curriculum slides over the coming month.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Shane Martin Coughlan <shane@...> wrote:

Hi Arnold, thank you very much for your contribution!

All, the various slides and handout materials are now uploaded here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!709&authkey=!APTnTvWbiPQLJsc&ithint=folder%2cdoc

The current goal is to place the core content from the various slides into the 'OpenChain-Curriculum-Core-Open-Source-Compliance-SLIDES/pptx’ document. Everyone should be able to open and edit files without signing in.

Later we will circle back to the two handout files to create our OpenChain handout.

Regards

Shane


On Jun 3, 2016, at 21:49 , Niessen, Arnold <arnold.niessen@...> wrote:

Dear Shane, all,

Could you please add me to the list too? The calls are at a slightly difficult time (2am CET) but I'd still like to contribute where I can.

I have seen some very high quality materials already. I'd like to attach one of our internal documents that doesn't have too much overlap with the previous materials. This document tries to catch most of the compliance obligations at a high level in a few pages but without explaining any background, so it isn't overwhelming from its size, but it aims to whet the appetite for the background materials.

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Sent: dinsdag 24 mei 2016 4:22
To: Marr, David <dmarr@...>
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Subject: Re: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Hi Dave

Thanks for confirming!

The list of people who have explicitly stepped forward to participate in building out the curriculum so far is:
Dave Marr
Jilayne Lovejoy
Kate Stewart
Ramesh Jain
Shane Coughlan
Tom Arcidiacono
If anyone else is interested in contributing just message me or step into our calls and drafting at any point.

All, the donated slides from Dave (Qualcomm) and Ibrahim (Samsung) have been uploaded to OneDrive and can be edited by anyone without any log-in via this URL:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=674AE6F2A656C9C5!801&authkey=!AALECDkajmrhNWw&ithint=folder%2c

There are three files:
(1) Dave’s slides
(2) Ibrahim’s slide
(3) A placeholder document for the OpenChain Curriculum Core Open Source Compliance slides

As per our last call, the Curriculum Work Team aims to:
(A) Review (1) and (2) to remove any corporate branding or extra slides
(B) Combine them into (3)
(C) Before working on reducing the slide count to result in a presentation that takes less than an hour.

We are going to aim to get the first rough cut ready in time for our next call in the third week of June. The end result should support the goals outlined here:
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/_media/openchain/openchainspec-2016-05-16-1.pdf
In particular, we want to help support Section 1.2, the 'Mandatory FOSS training’ requirements. Ideally our slides would help people get started in this area.

The process is simple. Just open the link, click a file, and select “Edit in Browser” to get started. I am personally going to get started on (A) later this week and would appreciate help to trim any remaining corporate branding or slides which are unnecessary.

Of course we are still accepting submissions of additional material so just reach out if you want to donate under CC-0.

Regards

Shane

NOTE #1: Why OneDrive and PowerPoint Online? The original slides were in PowerPoint format. A search for online systems with easy import and collaborative editing of these documents resulted in a shortlist of Google Slides or PowerPoint Online. PowerPoint Online appears to work in China while Google services are more challenging to access. If anyone strongly wants us to use another system I am happy to discuss that too.

NOTE #2: Why a public link that anyone can access? Because we want to encourage everyone to step in and lend a hand. Our goal, as per the minutes from the last call, is to make a simple, clear set of slides to support Open Source compliance in the context of OpenChain, and to help “on-board” people into both compliance best practice and deployment of OpenChain.


On May 22, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Marr, David <dmarr@...> wrote:

Shane please add me as a member of the curriculum work team.

Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Shane Martin Coughlan
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:51 PM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] Curriculum next steps

Dear OpenChain project members

Thank you to everyone who contributed to our last call and to many others who expressed interest in contributing to our curriculum work team.

The specific proposals to launch the work team were:
(1) We provide high level process management slides that can be adopted and expanded by any company seeking to undertake Open Source compliance;
(2) We will create the first iteration of these slides in a three month (3 call) window, with most of the actual work happening offline;
(3) We re-use existing material that is available (or can be made available) under a CC-0 license;
(4) We keep things simple to make adoption, translation and understand as straightforward as possible.

These proposals were accepted by the curriculum work team members present.

What this means for the team is:
(1) An initial version of the slides going online for editing next week;
(2) The team working on the slides for the next month to prepare the first draft;
(3) Review of the slides will take place on our second call to assess status and where we need to focus energy;
(4) The subsequent month will apply focus to these points before resulting in our first deliverable for consideration in the third call.

I will send an email next week with details of how we will collaborate online.

Regards

Shane
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