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Canceled Event: OpenChain Working Group (Third Monday of each month invite) @ Mon Dec 21, 2015 12pm - 1pm (mdolan@linuxfoundation.org)

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OpenChain Working Group (Third Monday of each month invite)

Sending an updated invitation as the group decided to move the calls to the first and third Monday of each month. There are two invites - one for the first Monday and the second for the third Monday.

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Re: OSADL demo for consideration of certification prototype -- OpenChain agenda 12/7

Jim Hutchison
 

Hi Michel,

These are helpful observations, as we are looking for a solution folks would want to use productively.
In considering OpenChain, we should be able to steer clear of contract/agreement terms. This will be good to keep an eye on as we proceed in formulating the certification questions.

The group discussion appears to be trending towards using such an on-line mechanism, and with text crafted from the OpenChain text. Ideally we will make the questions flexible to many business processes, while retaining inquiry to illuminate adherence to the core concerns.

Thanks,

Jim Hutchison
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.

At 02:04 AM 12/10/2015, RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) wrote:
Jim, I look at the questionnaire
1) the question are not formulated very clearly and are not always applying to Alcatel-Lucent, because we use different solutions that the one represented in the questionnaire
2) the questionnaire is asking to link documents on our process. We consider our process as a competitive advantage and cannot disclose the details like this and second there is confidential information in it on the way we interprete licenses, the deal we have with some foss suppliers to interprete their license differently or on our patent, so I cannot link documents

Michel
Michel.Ruffin@..., PhD
Software Coordination Manager, COO - B&ITT
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff
Tel +33 6 75 25 21 94
Alcatel-Lucent International, Centre de Villarceaux - France

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jim Hutchison [mailto:hutch@...]
Envoyé : jeudi 10 décembre 2015 01:18
À : RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL); RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)
Objet : OSADL demo for consideration of certification prototype -- [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 12/7

Hi Michel,

In our last OpenChain meeting, OSADL shared this prototype with the working group. You might find it interesting, as a representation of current thinking of how we might collect certification data.

https://www.foss-slca.org
User name: openchain
Password: buE93oaCw

If you don't submit at the end, Till assured us they would receive no data. Also they would not be worried by test/hypothetical data you might enter in trying out their prototype.

Regards,

Jim Hutchison


Re: OSADL demo for consideration of certification prototype -- OpenChain agenda 12/7

RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) <michel.ruffin@...>
 

Jim, I look at the questionnaire
1) the question are not formulated very clearly and are not always applying to Alcatel-Lucent, because we use different solutions that the one represented in the questionnaire
2) the questionnaire is asking to link documents on our process. We consider our process as a competitive advantage and cannot disclose the details like this and second there is confidential information in it on the way we interprete licenses, the deal we have with some foss suppliers to interprete their license differently or on our patent, so I cannot link documents

Michel
Michel.Ruffin@..., PhD
Software Coordination Manager, COO - B&ITT
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff
Tel +33 6 75 25 21 94
Alcatel-Lucent International, Centre de Villarceaux - France

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jim Hutchison [mailto:hutch@...]
Envoyé : jeudi 10 décembre 2015 01:18
À : RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL); RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)
Objet : OSADL demo for consideration of certification prototype -- [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 12/7

Hi Michel,

In our last OpenChain meeting, OSADL shared this prototype with the working group. You might find it interesting, as a representation of current thinking of how we might collect certification data.

https://www.foss-slca.org
User name: openchain
Password: buE93oaCw

If you don't submit at the end, Till assured us they would receive no data. Also they would not be worried by test/hypothetical data you might enter in trying out their prototype.

Regards,

Jim Hutchison


Re: OpenChain agenda 12/7

Kelly Williams
 

Thanks for your time.  The minutes and presentation are on the wiki at https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/minutes.

 

As for next steps please test out the SLCA online questionnaire https://www.foss-slca.org (password: buE93oaCw) and provide feedback.  Thanks again Till and Carsten for the demo. 

 

Let me know if I missed anything or if you have any questions.

 

Regards,

Kelly

 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:49 PM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 12/7

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL demo follow up

       Governance Proposal

       Approach (Dave Marr)

       Value proposition  (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


Re: OpenChain agenda 12/7

Dave Marr
 

Hi Sai, you need to type the password in by hand.  Please let us know if you're able to get in.

Dave

On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Sai Uday Shankar Korlimarla <skorlimarla@...> wrote:

Found the username from the discussion on UberConference 'openchain'

Regards
Uday

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sai Uday Shankar Korlimarla <skorlimarla@...> wrote:
Hi Till,

I could not access the website with the password provided. Is there a username or should I use my email address. Please suggest


Regards
Uday

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Till Jaeger <jaeger@...> wrote:
https://www.foss-slca.org
buE93oaCw

Am 05.12.2015 um 00:48 schrieb Williams, Kelly:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).
>
>
>
> •       OSADL demo follow up
>
> •       Governance Proposal
>
> •       Approach (Dave Marr)
>
> •       Value proposition  (Scott Nicholas)
>
>
>
> Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
> UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please
> note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the
> instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>
>
>
>
> Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: OpenChain agenda 12/7

Sai Uday Shankar Korlimarla
 

Found the username from the discussion on UberConference 'openchain'

Regards
Uday

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sai Uday Shankar Korlimarla <skorlimarla@...> wrote:
Hi Till,

I could not access the website with the password provided. Is there a username or should I use my email address. Please suggest


Regards
Uday

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Till Jaeger <jaeger@...> wrote:
https://www.foss-slca.org
buE93oaCw

Am 05.12.2015 um 00:48 schrieb Williams, Kelly:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).
>
>
>
> •       OSADL demo follow up
>
> •       Governance Proposal
>
> •       Approach (Dave Marr)
>
> •       Value proposition  (Scott Nicholas)
>
>
>
> Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
> UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please
> note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the
> instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>
>
>
>
> Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: OpenChain agenda 12/7

Sai Uday Shankar Korlimarla
 

Hi Till,

I could not access the website with the password provided. Is there a username or should I use my email address. Please suggest


Regards
Uday

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Till Jaeger <jaeger@...> wrote:
https://www.foss-slca.org
buE93oaCw

Am 05.12.2015 um 00:48 schrieb Williams, Kelly:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).
>
>
>
> •       OSADL demo follow up
>
> •       Governance Proposal
>
> •       Approach (Dave Marr)
>
> •       Value proposition  (Scott Nicholas)
>
>
>
> Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
> UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please
> note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the
> instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>
>
>
>
> Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenChain mailing list
> OpenChain@...
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/openchain
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Re: OpenChain agenda 12/7

Till Jaeger
 

https://www.foss-slca.org
buE93oaCw

Am 05.12.2015 um 00:48 schrieb Williams, Kelly:

Hi Everyone,



Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).



• OSADL demo follow up

• Governance Proposal

• Approach (Dave Marr)

• Value proposition (Scott Nicholas)



Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>



For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please
note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the
instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>



Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>



Regards,

Kelly





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OpenChain agenda 12/7

Kelly Williams
 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL demo follow up

       Governance Proposal

       Approach (Dave Marr)

       Value proposition  (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


OpenChain agenda 11/16

Kelly Williams
 

Thanks for the productive meeting today.  The minutes and updated slides are on the wiki at https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/minutes.

 

Let me know if I missed anything or if you have any questions.

 

Kelly

 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:01 AM
To: openchain@...
Cc: Scott Nicholas
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/16

 

Presentation attached.

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:09 AM
To: openchain@...
Cc: Scott Nicholas
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Governance proposal presentation attached. 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)

       Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


Re: OpenChain agenda 11/16

Kelly Williams
 

Presentation attached.

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:09 AM
To: openchain@...
Cc: Scott Nicholas
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Governance proposal presentation attached. 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)

       Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


Re: OpenChain agenda 11/2

RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) <michel.ruffin@...>
 

Thanks a lot Mark for this detailed explanation.
I totally support this approach

Certification can be necessary for big companies and might be requested by our customers, but it has a cost.
So compliance claiming is a good way to enroll smaller companies, that cannot afford a third party audit.

Now there is another way that can explore (not incompatible to compliance and certificate) for small companies.

In Alcatel-Lucent we classify our suppliers in 3 categories regarding FOSS issues: trusted suppliers, reliable suppliers and unreliable suppliers.

For trusted suppliers, we do not check a lot of things, just asking for the list of FOSS (version, license, nature of FOSS) and we have in our contract with them some guarantees.

For reliable suppliers. We perfome a test on the list of FOSS they provide to us and can determin they are responsive, aware, that information is correct, etc. (so we do a minimum check and we know we can rely on them) so after in our process we are asking less to them, but we are still doing some checking.

For unreliable suppliers we do the same as for reliable supplier and note that there are some mistakes. Then we check everything.

The two last categories are generally small companies, but for reliable companies we could issue a kind of testimony that they have a correct process.

Food for through, this needs more thinking, but it is perhaps a valid third option that will cost nothing (not that in the first category "trusted suppliers" today we have around 10 companies and a program to develop this)

Michel
Michel.Ruffin@..., PhD
Software Coordination Manager, COO - Business transformation
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff
Tel +33 6 75 25 21 94
Alcatel-Lucent International, Centre de Villarceaux - France

-----Message d'origine-----
De : openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] De la part de Gisi, Mark
Envoyé : lundi 9 novembre 2015 03:19
À : Bruno Cornec; Williams, Kelly
Cc : openchain@...; Scott Nicholas
Objet : Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

? I remember that some of us were reluctant in Dublin to create a new
business around certification, so has something changed in between ?
The OpenChain discussion at LinuxCon North America went in a slightly different direction. Here is a summary of what I recall. For those who attended the Seattle meeting please don't hesitate to correct and/or augment.

It would be helpful to make a distinction between two concepts: "OpenChain Compliance" and "OpenChain Certification". A statement about achieving OpenChain Compliance means *one claims* they have met the requirements of the OpenChain standard. OpenChain Certified means an authorized third party verified that the organization has met the OpenChain requirements. Nothing prevents an organization from claiming they are OpenChain Compliant. However, an organization should not be allowed to use the "Certified" designation unless they have been formally audited and cleared by an authorized third party. The details of how an organization would qualify to be authorized to certify others was not discussed in detail. The creation of a trademark to develop brand integrity was discussed. It was acknowledged that the OpenChain working group would need to raise funds to support an authorization/certification program. One avenue of funding discussed was by offering an annual OpenChain member ship fee for corporations that had a strong interest in a certification program. No interest then no funding. No funding then no program.

It was also discussed that a software supplier should be able to hire a third party consultant to assist them in implementing processes that enable them to satisfy the requirements of the OpenChain standard to achieve OpenChain Compliance. The assisting third party should not be allowed to formally certify an organization they assisted due to a conflict of interest (even if third party was authorized to do so). If the software supplier also seeks certification, they would need to work with a second neutral OpenChain authorized third party to verify they have met all the requirements.

It was identified that the success of the OpenChain initiative depended on at least two objectives: the ability
1) for smaller suppliers to participate at little or no cost;
2) to support a credible certification path (accountability) for corporations that demand it.

All in all - it was generally agreed that OpenChain should *not* attempt to boil the ocean by initially launching a multi-tier certification program. Having an initial basic set of requirements that an organization can use to *self-audit* to claim "OpenChain Compliance" would be sufficient. It was considered important to leave the door open to permit a more formal accountable certification program that could grow organically (potentially supported by a trademark). For now we should use terms like "self-audit" or self-checked" in place of "self-certified". A certification program would need to be funded by companies that insist on accountability for the "promise of quality" of the compliance artifacts they receive from their suppliers.

- Mark

Mark Gisi | Wind River | Director, IP & Open Source Tel (510) 749-2016 | Fax (510) 749-4552

-----Original Message-----
From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bruno Cornec
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 10:44 AM
To: Williams, Kelly
Cc: openchain@...; Scott Nicholas
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

Hello,

Sorry couldn't join today as I was delivering a training.

I have a question wrt 3rd party certification. How are these positionned compared to self-certification ? I remember that some of us were reluctant in Dublin to create a new business around certification, so has something changed in between ?

Best regards,
Bruno.

Williams, Kelly said on Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 05:09:28PM +0000:

Governance proposal presentation attached.

From: openchain-bounces@...
[mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

Hi Everyone,

Here is the agenda for Monday's call at 9am (Pacific).

* OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)
* Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326 UberConference URL:
http://uberconference.com/mdolan<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2
F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bT
nSUCA>

For international call instructions, please visit the website below.
Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of
the instructions:
http://www.uberconference.com/international/access<https://www.google.c
om/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&u
sd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>

Screen share (if used): go to
http://uberconference.com/mdolan<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2
F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bT
nSUCA>

Regards,
Kelly

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Re: OpenChain agenda 11/2

Mark Gisi
 

? I remember that some of us were reluctant in Dublin to create a
new business around certification, so has something changed in between ?
The OpenChain discussion at LinuxCon North America went in a slightly different direction. Here is a summary of what I recall. For those who attended the Seattle meeting please don't hesitate to correct and/or augment.

It would be helpful to make a distinction between two concepts: "OpenChain Compliance" and "OpenChain Certification". A statement about achieving OpenChain Compliance means *one claims* they have met the requirements of the OpenChain standard. OpenChain Certified means an authorized third party verified that the organization has met the OpenChain requirements. Nothing prevents an organization from claiming they are OpenChain Compliant. However, an organization should not be allowed to use the "Certified" designation unless they have been formally audited and cleared by an authorized third party. The details of how an organization would qualify to be authorized to certify others was not discussed in detail. The creation of a trademark to develop brand integrity was discussed. It was acknowledged that the OpenChain working group would need to raise funds to support an authorization/certification program. One avenue of funding discussed was by offering an annual OpenChain membership fee for corporations that had a strong interest in a certification program. No interest then no funding. No funding then no program.

It was also discussed that a software supplier should be able to hire a third party consultant to assist them in implementing processes that enable them to satisfy the requirements of the OpenChain standard to achieve OpenChain Compliance. The assisting third party should not be allowed to formally certify an organization they assisted due to a conflict of interest (even if third party was authorized to do so). If the software supplier also seeks certification, they would need to work with a second neutral OpenChain authorized third party to verify they have met all the requirements.

It was identified that the success of the OpenChain initiative depended on at least two objectives: the ability
1) for smaller suppliers to participate at little or no cost;
2) to support a credible certification path (accountability) for corporations that demand it.

All in all - it was generally agreed that OpenChain should *not* attempt to boil the ocean by initially launching a multi-tier certification program. Having an initial basic set of requirements that an organization can use to *self-audit* to claim "OpenChain Compliance" would be sufficient. It was considered important to leave the door open to permit a more formal accountable certification program that could grow organically (potentially supported by a trademark). For now we should use terms like "self-audit" or self-checked" in place of "self-certified". A certification program would need to be funded by companies that insist on accountability for the "promise of quality" of the compliance artifacts they receive from their suppliers.

- Mark

Mark Gisi | Wind River | Director, IP & Open Source
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From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Bruno Cornec
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 10:44 AM
To: Williams, Kelly
Cc: openchain@...; Scott Nicholas
Subject: Re: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

Hello,

Sorry couldn't join today as I was delivering a training.

I have a question wrt 3rd party certification. How are these positionned compared to self-certification ? I remember that some of us were reluctant in Dublin to create a new business around certification, so has something changed in between ?

Best regards,
Bruno.

Williams, Kelly said on Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 05:09:28PM +0000:

Governance proposal presentation attached.

From: openchain-bounces@...
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Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

Hi Everyone,

Here is the agenda for Monday's call at 9am (Pacific).

* OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)
* Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

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Re: OpenChain agenda 11/2

Kelly Williams
 

Hi Everyone,

 

Thanks to those who joined the call on Monday.  The Supplier License Compliance Audit (SLCA) presentation is on the wiki- https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/openchain/minutes.  We will pick up with the Governance proposal  on the next call.

 

Thanks,

Kelly

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
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To: openchain@...
Cc: Scott Nicholas
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Governance proposal presentation attached. 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)

       Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL:
http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


Re: OpenChain agenda 11/2

Bruno Cornec
 

Hello,

Sorry couldn't join today as I was delivering a training.

I have a question wrt 3rd party certification. How are these positionned
compared to self-certification ? I remember that some of us were
reluctant in Dublin to create a new business around certification, so
has something changed in between ?

Best regards,
Bruno.

Williams, Kelly said on Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 05:09:28PM +0000:

Governance proposal presentation attached.

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

Hi Everyone,

Here is the agenda for Monday's call at 9am (Pacific).

* OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)
* Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberconference.com%2Finternational%2Faccess&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNGP9qOL1k_x7goqtuqkmVJ2Gn-83w>

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan<https://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fuberconference.com%2Fmdolan&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNEP2hma4AZyPpZsHEr3k48bTnSUCA>

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Re: OpenChain agenda 11/2

Kelly Williams
 

Governance proposal presentation attached. 

 

From: openchain-bounces@... [mailto:openchain-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Williams, Kelly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: openchain@...
Subject: [OpenChain] OpenChain agenda 11/2

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)

       Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


OpenChain agenda 11/2

Kelly Williams
 

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is the agenda for Monday’s call at 9am (Pacific).

 

       OSADL checklist demo (screen share may be used) (Miriam Ballhausen)

       Governance Proposal (Scott Nicholas)

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Regards,

Kelly

 


Re: openchain domains

Michael Dolan <mdolan@...>
 

Thanks Alexios, I’ve alerted our trademark counsel who did the filing for us in the U.S.


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On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Zavras, Alexios <alexios.zavras@...> wrote:

Hi all,
 
I’ve just discovered https://www.openchain.org/, clearly unrelated to our effort. Their domain has just been renewed for 2 years.
The domain openchain.net is also assigned since 2004, but it doesn’t seem to have a web server.
 
I’ll leave to people with legal knowledge to decide if this has any effect to our effort and the ideas about using it as a mark.
 
-- zvr
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Open Source Officer
Intel Deutschland (formerly named Intel Mobile Communications)
 

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Managing Directors: Christin Eisenschmid, Prof. Dr. Hermann Eul
Chairperson of the Supervisory Board: Tiffany Doon Silva
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openchain domains

Alexios Zavras
 

Hi all,

 

I’ve just discovered https://www.openchain.org/, clearly unrelated to our effort. Their domain has just been renewed for 2 years.

The domain openchain.net is also assigned since 2004, but it doesn’t seem to have a web server.

 

I’ll leave to people with legal knowledge to decide if this has any effect to our effort and the ideas about using it as a mark.

 

-- zvr

Alexios Zavras

Open Source Officer

Intel Deutschland (formerly named Intel Mobile Communications)

 

Intel Deutschland GmbH
Registered Address: Am Campeon 10-12, 85579 Neubiberg, Germany
Tel: +49 89 99 8853-0, www.intel.de
Managing Directors: Christin Eisenschmid, Prof. Dr. Hermann Eul
Chairperson of the Supervisory Board: Tiffany Doon Silva
Registered Office: Munich
Commercial Register: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 186928


OpenChain agenda 10/19

Kelly Williams
 

Hi –

 

Here’s the agenda for our next call on Monday, 10/19 at 9am Pacific.

 

       Supply Chain Mini-Summit recap (All Summit Attendees)

       Review edits on Etherpad from F2F (Team discussion) - http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/openchain

       Purpose statement proposal

 

Conference Number: +1 (415) 906-5657 Pin: 88326
UberConference URL: http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

For international call instructions, please visit the website below. Please note you will have to enter the US Conference number as part of the instructions: http://www.uberconference.com/international/access

 

Screen share (if used): go to http://uberconference.com/mdolan

 

Thanks,

Kelly

 

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