On Nov 23, 2021, at 0:21, Sebastian Crane <seabass-labrax@...> wrote:

Dear Shane,

Thanks for leading the interesting discussion today; sorry for having to
leave early. During the meeting, my parents called me to ask if - A: I
knew what AnyDesk was, and B: why 'Amazon Customer Support' wanted them
to install it! All danger was averted, I am glad to say.

It's always good to share links about complex topics such as license
compatibility, as search engines are unfortunately not wont to promote
miscellaneous YAML files on GitHub!

As for the topic of whether OpenChain should be linking to license
compatibility information, I take the view that false negatives are
safer than false positives here. Compatibility information, even if not
100% correct, can still be useful for instance to quickly flag up issues
such as combining code under the CDDL with (GPL'ed) Linux.

For a company which would like to avoid risk, it's perfectly acceptable
to automatically reject any such 'incompatible' combinations whilst
taking the 'compatible' combinations with a grain of salt. However, in
the case of Canonical with ZFS [1], if there are no reasonable
alternatives for a certain piece of software, the company can still
spend time to manually review the license compatibility for their own
use-case.

When it comes to companies with more of a software development focus,
then using tools such as the OSS Review Toolkit with the DoubleOpen
machine-readable information that we discussed could be very
useful. Even if not a substitute for specific legal review, it can be
very good to produce noisy warnings in the CI/CD system when an upstream
software dependency changes its license to something incompatible, which
does happen now and then [2]. Again, this is using the information as
more of a source of warnings rather than a source of truth.

Hope this helps, and I look forward to seeing the playbook be published!
:)

Best wishes,

Sebastian

1: https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-licensing-and-linux
2: https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/25/ruby_rails_code/

On Nov 19, 2021, at 6:58, Shane Coughlan <scoughlan@...> wrote:

Finalizing OpenChain Online Training Course - Education Meeting Today 2021-11-19 @ 09:30 UTC / 10:30 CET / 17:30 CST / 18:30 KST + JST

We are wrapping up our review to hand-off to LF Training. Let’s make this the last major editing call 😀

Course overview document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YSf9dWJe8qET95N5q3KWzCaJeux80p1idkZjnnDjjp4/edit

Course content:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FA6GvYG7G-cQgSdAM610CjYQExwJW3xY/edit

We discussed this on the weekly Education Work Group calls as we push for completion by end of November:

OpenChain Education Work Group Meeting 2021-11-05
https://www.openchainproject.org/news/2021/11/06/education-wg-2021-11-05

OpenChain Education Work Group Meeting 2021-11-12
https://www.openchainproject.org/news/2021/11/13/education-wg-2021-11-12

nico-san、Martin-san、

Thank you for pointing out the error in the FAQ.
We have checked it and found that Yes/No was inconsistent as you pointed out.
We are currently reviewing the next version, which will be published around the end of next month.
We would like to issue the next version with the corrected points.

I hope this FAQ will be useful for you.

Best regards,

yoshiko ohuchi

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Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 7:07 PM
To: main@...
Cc: OpenChain Japan <japan-wg@...>; japan-sg-faq@...
Subject: Re: [openchain] Regional Traction: 2,100 Eyes on Japanese FAQ

Dear all,

Thanks for this; it’s a great resource and, I think, some of the points should be incorporated into reference training material/course as it evolves.

Along with the comment about slide 27 from nico that I agree with, I think there is a similar issue with slide 35:

"In the product incorporating this OSS, do I need to worry about license_B?". Headline answer is "no" but for this point it is "yes".

Best regards,

Martin Yagi
Intellectual Property Manager|


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From: main@... <main@...> On Behalf Of Nicolas Toussaint via lists.openchainproject.org
Sent: 09 November 2021 08:57
To: main@...
Cc: OpenChain Japan <japan-wg@...>; japan-sg-faq@...
Subject: Re: [openchain] Regional Traction: 2,100 Eyes on Japanese FAQ

Hi,

That's a great contribution, many thanks to the Japan work group, and Shane for sharing!

I would like to share a remark on slide 27 that got my attention:
The formulations of the top and blue-box questions are formulated in a contradictory way
- Do I need to consider each license when I recognize OSS dependencies?
- [...] can I ignore the licenses of the OSS components [...]

So the answer NO applies to the second, but I guess YES should be applied to the first question ?

nico

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On 09/11/2021 08:08, Shane Coughlan wrote:
> Some very cool news from the Japan work group.
>
> The FAQ sub-group chaired by Ouchi San has released a version of their
> FAQ in English 👍
>
> And since we last spoke a week ago the Japanese FAQ has been
> downloaded another 500 times. 🎉
>
> The English version:
> https://github.com/OpenChain-Project/OpenChain-JWG/blob/master/Educati
> on_Material/FAQ/Misunderstandings_of_OSS_licenses_CC0.pptx
>
> Japanese:
> https://github.com/OpenChain-Project/OpenChain-JWG/blob/master/Educati
> on_Material/FAQ/OSS%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BB%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E9%96
> %A2%E9%80%A3%E3%81%A7%E3%82%88%E3%81%8F%E3%81%82%E3%82%8B%E8%AA%A4%E8%
> A7%A3_CC0.pptx
>
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 19:12, Shane Coughlan via lists.openchainproject.org <scoughlan=linuxfoundation.org@...> wrote:
>>
>> The OpenChain Project often highlights global news. However, it is important to remember that the majority of activity is truly distributed around the world, especially in our local China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India, Germany, UK and US work groups. Today we are taking a moment to shine a spotlight on a specific example in Japan.
>> The OpenChain Japan Work Group operates seven sub-groups, one of which is focused on providing answers to frequently asked questions, chaired by Ouchi San from Fujitsu. The FAQ document produced by the group has been downloaded over 2,100 times so far, demonstrating the extent of information dissemination in a specific geography.
>>
>> If you have a Japanese office (or you represent a Japanese company), please be aware that the FAQ sub-group meets on the 8th of November at 15:00 JST. All welcome.
>>
>> ・日時：11月8日(月) 15:00〜17:30
>> ・チャタムハウスルールを採用しています。
>> （誰が言ったかは口外禁止、得た情報は自由利用可）
>> ・オンライン会議(Zoom)：
>>　 Zoom のURLはFAQ-SGのSLACKに掲載予定です。
>>　 （Japan WGのSLACKとは異なります）
>>
>> 以下のメーリングリストへご連絡願います。
>>     • https://lists.openchainproject.org/g/japan-sg-faq/messages
>>
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On Nov 15, 2021, at 16:46, Shane Coughlan via lists.openchainproject.org <scoughlan=linuxfoundation.org@...> wrote:



Our webinar today will focus on “The McHardy Story” and be a technical analysis by Armijn Hemel of the ‘copyright trolling’ activities that caused disruption around the open source space for several years.

For context (and to avoid repeating the legal details on the call), here is some further reading:

https://opensource.com/article/17/8/patrick-mchardy-and-copyright-profiteering
https://lwn.net/Articles/752485/
https://lwn.net/Articles/721458/
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20180307-mchardy-gpl/
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